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BOB - This is a perfect example of how people game the system and offer nothing of value to the community.

Bob... I think every state has at least one of these kind of people.  I know of one here in CT.  I like your comment blogging for position.. that is exactly the way I think about it.

Adam - So true.  But, in the long run, they lose.  Thank you for commenting.

Valerie - Thanks for commenting.  It does get a bit frustrating when you see them posting the same nonsense over and over.

I've noticed a few instances of it, too, but you know what?  They are missing the best part of A/R and the great camaraderie, not to mention all the terrific exchange of ideas.  Their loss, but I agree, it is frustrating.

Yikes - I guess I don't get the point of why they would want to be here.

Susan - Thank you for commenting.  I like my new found friends and really enjoy reading and commenting on their blogs.

Bill - I agree completely.  It's such a waste for them to be here.  It's called networking.  They just don't get it.

I have seen this too.  Makes you wander if they ever ever get any leads.  I know my team has.

I blog for position as well, but I really try to have original content in my blogs (only 11 so far...but I have made 10x that in comments).  I, too, have met people in the Rain with whom I share a sense of humour and work ethic, and I made my decision as to whether or not I liked them through their blogs and comments. 

I think if you are only blogging for points, without contributing SOME content to the community, you are not really going to benefit from your, ahem, efforts. 

Bob... Good post. I too see this quite often. Little, no or poor content typically results in no comments. The same goes for interaction. Kinda like a computer nothing in = nothing out... Congratulations on your efforts and keep on posting these good articles. BTW this will be on our feature spot in Blogs Happens... Thanks for the contribution...

Hi Bob!

 

I feel your frustration, but after all, you are on AR to get connected with people who share the same values, interests and networking of course. The google "juice" is an added bonus. I won't worry that somebody will choose him/her over you to do business just because the points in the AR. Keep doing what you are doing. You got featured, eh? Congratulations!!!

I have to admit that I am constantly checking my ranking in my district and city, and I always come second in my city: Markham, ON. I don't have a problem with that, I am not a very active "activerainer", but I would really like to find out who is no. 1. I don't have a high score, but when I search for AR members in my city, I do have the highest score. Still I rank the 2nd on my profile page. Why is that?

Bob - Very well written and right to the point. That is unbelievable that this member has 671 blogs with only 18 comments, could this really be true. I am not bragging, but I average 20 - 30 comments per post within one week. These numbers you have shown are wild. It is a very good point Bob and I can see why you received a star. Have a great weekend!

Bob This individual does not get it.  He may be in a higher position than you but his content will not earn him much of anything.  People will not follow him and he will not gain business relationships from his efforts.  It really sounds like he just places ads here rather than providing thoughtful posts.  Keep doing what you are doing.  Have a great Saturday.

I think that most people blog for position,not only in the Rain community, but AR also helps your position on internet searches; like no other site does. After a couple of blog posts, I noticed that I immediately moved to the #1 spot when searching my name on Google. But everything I add or comment on has been informative, listing posts or localism news. I think that's what this venue should be used for and not just points! Competition can make people carzy!!!

I agree with what Ginny says above, "AR also helps your position on internet searches; like no other site does."  That could be their only intention.  There are so many styles in generating business.  I also agree that this person is missing out on the great connections that are formed here.

671 posts and only 18 comments?  That blog should stand out like a sore thumb... or maybe not.  Same content only different town names and pictures?  A splog?  Advertising rather than information?

I think a lot of time it is not for points, they are oblivious to the AR points, just are spamming Google with their contact info and geographic keywords.

 

Well I guess we can safely say that he/she doesn't read other blogs or comment.  Maybe they need to be a better community member here? 

Great use of statistics to prove what we know was going on all along. It's probably more prevelant than we would like to see.

Fantastic post and it makes you realize that these same individuals are the people you deal with at time who short cut their work, do not call back and generally make transactions more work than necessary,  They give us all a bad name!

Bob -

This is all over AR, in every state, in virtually every city.

One fellow in the Chicago area posts 10 times, all on the same day, giving updated market stats for 10 different suburbs he works in.  No creativity, no thought.  Same copy template.  He most likely has his assistant do the work.  Never a comment on other blogs, no comments on his.

But he has nearly 100,000 points!

Another re-posts generic "improving your homes value" articles from the web, without much insight or thought!

I agree - it is very valuable to be tops for your town, and my high ranking in Chicago has gotten me great web exposure, and a few referrals, in the 9 months I have been in the AR Community.

And it is frustrating to see these "Blog Solely for Points" people.   But, in a free forum, all will appear.  I would rather see that than overt censorship or more intense moderator review/screening.

My two cents, anyway!

DEAN & DEAN'S TEAM CHICAGO

Hmm, what I notice is that if you blog for the consumer you rarely get comments.  If you blog for the folks on the rain, then they comment.  Maybe this person only focuses on his local area.  Maybe they blog at 3am. 

Then again, the number one person in my area posts postlets about her listings and gets 26 comments.  I get 0 when I post a listing. 

She also has not posted since June, yet she is number 1.

 

 

 

Why should there be comments on  a market report?  Why would there be?  If someone posts market reports for consumers they are not trying to start a conversation with their peers (other real estate professionals.) I don't believe that is done for points.

ActiveRain can't legislate things like you can't use an assistant, you can't use a ghost blogger.  Members are just going to have to get over the fact that there are others writing in their market.  It's a network.  You can do your own blog on WordPress, Typepad,  Blogger.com etc, and then you don't have to worry about other people's content.

 

You blog for position on ActiveRain which you hope will get you new business.

That person blogs for position on Google.

He's looking to place links to his other web pages for those particular towns.  He's using ActiveRain as a tool to improve his ranking elsewhere.

If that's wrong, ActiveRain should do something about it. 

My first response to ActiveRain was to do the same thing.  But I made a decision that I didn't want to game the system in that way and wanted to use ActiveRain for different reasons.  That was my personal choice.  Others choose to do otherwise.

Everyone games the system.  It's just a matter of degree.  You game the system by putting a marketing tagline in your signature.  Most others do the same so most think that it's OK.  In your profile, it asks for you first and last name, not a marketing pitch.  Since ActiveRain is quiet on this activity, most assume it's OK and condoned.  So most do it so they stay competitive with others.

As you can see this individual has posted 671 blogs to my 109

Good morning Bob,

As you can see, different agents have different perspectives about this.  My view is that it's clearly time for you to pick up the pace!  :)

Bob ... very true! I'm just glad that you are not one of them! I always enjoy your posts. You are an honest man.

Bob this is a great post and a great example.  Thanks for sharing.  I don't game the system personally I use my creativity elsewhere.

I believe that the owners of AR have said that the blogs are ours and we can use them as we see fit unless we game the system or post inappropriate content.

The anonymous poster isn't gaming the system. They just aren't getting out of it what they could.

 

Morning Bob,

I know how you feel. I have put those types aside. Hopefully we will be recognized by the true value of our writing and professional attributes.

Bob...Bloggers like these don't show me the professionalism that they may have. For this same reason, I would never use that person for a referral.  The chance of getting agents to associate with you on and off the rain is directly related on how you "relate" on this forum.

I loved the stat side by side.  The comments... given and received were astounding.  I just found AR last week and I'm pretty sure I'm right up there with comments.

I wish you luck in "position" and best wishes in your career.

 

Tammy

maybe this person doesn't post to the rain. maybe they post only to localism. I don't think we have any right to criticize someones motives as long as they are following community guidelines.

Wow.  I had no idea - thanks for opening my eyes.  I never thought of it that way, I never thought someone could rack up so many points w/out getting involved.  That amazes me.

I am aware of this situation. To tell you the truth, if someone in your area decided to post relentlessly and cookie cutter style (different neighborhoods within your city) they could take over your first place position in very little time.

I have seen this happen over and over...

I don't think we should fault these people, however. And I am not certain if I would go so far as to say they are gaming the system.

These kinds of posts are localism style, not social network style.

Maybe there should be 2 different points systems? Showing stats in a neighborhood over and over is NOT something that should be counted as a blog for a social network. This I will agree with.

 

I agree. I have also seen people put things on localism that has nothing to do with the community.

Bob:  In contrast though, there are plenty of us here on AR that work hard to produce GREAT content, disseminate it, and comment on others.  I especially love the new "Re-Blog" feature that I have used to feature REALLY GREAT articles from other writers on my BLOG.  The folks at AR have built a great place for us here even if there are a few bottom dwellers that don't really contribute!

Bob, What a great observation. So glad you wrote about the issue and it got featured. Congratulations on your star.

Bob  I think ultimately someone who blogs simply for the points and who does not participate in Active Rain will lose out in the long run.  It is not only about the points, seo etc, but in the relationships that are formed as well.  I have gotten referrals from Active Rain members, clients have found me on Active Rain, and I have been called by a couple of magazines in my areas.  If someone is writing 600+ blog with no substance, I don't think they are enjoying these types of rewards.  I hope this blog will inspire others to participate.  I also make it a point to reciprocate with comments on others' blogs and to support those like yourself, that are dedicated to professionalism.

Wow ~ This comparison is so amazing! It is really obvious why you are here and why the other member is here and I truly believe everyone else will see this as well. I am sure you business reflects who you are and in reality, that is what matters. You are the clear winner Bob. (And by winner I am not saying this is a game, but overall, in life, work etc)

HI BOB!

I see your point!  I don't think that person is adding any value to the circle.  They are clearly in it just for the points.  Or, it may be that they are a person of few words...they don't have an opinion about things, I don't know.  Maybe this is not their primary social platform & they merely post here and that's it?!?

One thing is clear, you're a TRUE Active Rainer!!

I think those that BLOG ONLY for POINTS are missing a lot. 1. Keeping consumers from coming back because they lack substance in their posts. 2.  They miss out on referrals because other professionals read their non-substance posts and go NEXT. 3. They miss out on some great friendships with those of us who work hard and build friendships and business. 

...and we all know when someone is just tossing up poo for points..

Blogging for points is pointless - had to say that - but, I do agree that blogging for position gives you a little competitive kick in the rear.

Hey Bob!  Well, there will always be gamers here....and the people who think points are what gets them clients rather than good content. They will not last long.....people get burnt on just posting...nothing but junk. One thing is for certain...it's the connecting with peers, making friends and creating dialogue and conversation through our blogs is what makes this place so special...and will always be that way....  So..my friend ...on that note....keep blogging!

This is the case in ANY community.  High School, work, city, county, MySpace, etc.  The dynamics will always be like this and every person will find different ways to act and react with others in these communities.  Always interesting to me.  Not everyone will move forward, and not everyone will move forward at the same speed.  To each their own, if they are not offending or hurting someone...that is my belief.

Bob,

I agree with you. We should be here to enrich our wonderful community and to expand our network. Thanks for setting a good example and just know that karma will get "Mr. I never comment or contribute". Keep smiling!!

Betina

Everyone has a different blogging purpose. Several agent post listings or market data with very little effort. If there is a perceived or real value then good for them.

I benefit from the cumulative knowledge in the group, from exposure to the professional expertise, from the new information available, and from the increase in typing speed that have come as a result of blogging on AR.

The thing that bothers me more is lazy Localism posts. What a person does on their blog does not impact my blog. What they do on localism does impact my blog.

Richard

Bob:  Great post and comments.  You've started quite a conversation here.  I'm hitting the "notify" button.

Blogging for points is the same as blogging for position. Without the points you will be far down on that list. When I am looking for someone to refer business list, i will go to the first and maybe the second page in that group and they would be the ones with the most points. Points matter, don't let anyone kid you.

My goal, to be on the first page of the New jersey List...I need probably about another 5 thousand points to go.

Hey Bob: Congratulations on the feature and that gold star!! I know exactly what you are saying. I have just recently ran into someone that has the following scores (which I thought were a little strange). What caught my eye was this person just came out of nowhere. Looking at the linking points and comments.... Does anyone else have close to this many linking points??

 

 I guess this is called linking for points? 

Score:	40931
Members Invited/Referred:	1
Blog Posts:	53
State Rank:	39
Featured Posts:	0
County Rank:	2 (Featured Member)
Comments Received:	3
City Rank:	1 (Featured Member)
Comments Made:	1
Blog Subscriptions:	2

  

Score Summary

 

Profile Points:		808
Invite Points:		273
Blogging Points:		5200
Blog Comment Points:
Linking Points:		34600
Bonus Points:
Other Points:		50

 

Bob,

I wouldn't worry about it...the race to the top of the mountain will never end. You can see even at my level that there are bloggers who have way more posts than I and most of them are nothing more then copied stuff...but as long as what I write is original or fun or whatever that's all I care about...I'm getting business from mine and made a few friends along the way and have a little fun too so I can't complain. Someone higher than me in a different part of the world or state doesn't mean Jack because they don't work my area anyway. Also I've been a member since 2006 and if I kept up my current pace at the beginning I would be at 600,000 points by now.

Oh and if you want to take some of mine I'll be happy to donate some.:)

Bob.. Ultimately when you blog for position you are also blogging for points for that position.. I'm going head to head with a loan originator in my area... Friendly battle of course... Currently he is ahead... :(

AR is an open forum - isn't that right?  Does that not mean that we are all entitled to post as we desire - link as we desire - and comment as we desire provided all rules and guidelines are followed?  We all have a different focus - a different purpose - isn't that right? Because someone else does not write like I write - or agree with me - does not make them wrong - it is what it is - they are simply doing something different. It is all good - I am not one to judge others for what they do or don't do. I am not interested in what others are doing or how many points they have. I am curious why anyone would put any energy at all on points that belong to someone else.

I think you hit it on the head!! I hate people who commit fraud.  these individuals should be ashamed, but i am sure they are not.  I know a few with this attitude.

Wow!  Looks like I hit the blogging hotspot on this one.  Over 50 comments so far and a star and featured blog.  Geez, where do I go from here.  I usually try to respond to each comment individually, and I'm not sure how I will do this, maybe by groups.  I think I will try individually because if you all can take the time to comment, then I should be decent enough to thank you individually and who knows, I might just come up with another blog idea along the way.  I'll have to get my notebook out for this one.  LOL.  Hope I don't miss thanking anyone along the way.  If so, I apologize in advance.  Thank you all for such a great response.

I also blog for position in my area, but blogging to connect with consumers is a part of that.  The icing on the cake for me are the friendships that I have made along the way and how much I have learned from all the knowledge that has been generously share on his site.  I don't see the point of meaningless posts just to get ranking.  When the consumer clicks on the blog it will be readily apparent that there is no value in the content.  So what is the point?

Regina - I agree.  I doubt they get any kind of referrals or leads through the Rain itself, but maybe with the google juice.  Thanks for commenting.

Scott - Thank you for your comments.  I like the way you think, and I'm going to add you to my associates list

Monica - I checked your ranking and you are behind a stager who has 32,000 + points.  I'm confident that with a little hard work on your part, you will easily pass this individual.  Check their stats and you will understand.  Good luck to you.  

Michael - Thanks for the comments and the featured post really gives me a sense that I've accomplished something special.  Thank you.

Robert - I like to keep track of how far I have to go periodically to advance on the ladder.  I am a bit competitive and when I see a fake, I have no qualms about pointing it out.  It's just my way.  Thank you for your comments.  I still don't understand what the star means.  LOL.  But I assume it's something good.  LOL

Hi Bob, I love your backgound, beautiful.  If this person posted blogs with no photos and just filling air for points then no one will comment, he may have more points than you, but he is not really getting anything out of the group.

Hi Bob,  For whatever motivation each of us brings to the Rain we all benefit when our input is meant to add something of value ( Even if only to support the input of others ! ) .  I do wince a little when I see multiple posts with only minor details changed.

Paddy - You are right in your assessment of this individual.  My thoughts too, and he will be behind me shortly.  I'll be posting when I do pass him.  LOL.

Ginny - A little friendly competition is good.  I think that's why they keep the point system in place.  And eventually we all know who the wasters are.  Post good info and you will receive lots of comments and get extra points.  Thus you climb the ladder.  And believe me, those top positions do matter.

Kevin - You and Ginny are both right.  The google juice flows through the Rain.  If you want to be in the google tops spots you need to blog.  Good blogging helps keep you there.

Maureen - You got it.  I'd be embarrassed if one of my posts got less than ten comments.  Thank you for your comments

Diane - Well said.  Why bother to be a member of the community if you don't truly participate. Thanks for your comments.

Richard - Thanks for your comments. The stats are pretty sad looking when you think about it.

Russell - Trust me, this guy is in my book of folks I don't want to do business with. He's like a machine.  I want meat and potatoes.  Thanks for commenting.

Dean - I'm in total agreement with you.  He can post whatever he wants as long as he stays in the guidelines.  But, he's missing out on so much more.  The Rain has so much to offer.  Thank you for commenting.

Andrew - Whatever his cause, he is missing out on the true reason for the Rain.  Networking and meeting new folks and sharing ideas.  Thank you for your comment.

Maureen - thank you for commenting.

Tim - I didn't say it was wrong.  I pointed out the fact that the individual is posting the same blogs over and over.  Many of them have the same pictures with different town names.  They are not really acurate sometimes.

Tim - I didn't say it was wrong.  I pointed out the fact that the individual is posting the same blogs over and over.  Many of them have the same pictures with different town names.  They are not really acurate sometimes.

Nannette - Thank you for commenting.  Those that do game the system will never see this blog, because they only post their nonsense and then come back again next week.  Weekly visitors

Tom - If I didn't personally check out some of his blogs and see that he's using the same pictures in 3 or 4 posts and changing the names of the areas, I would tend to agree with you.  But, unfortunately, I did my research before making this post.  I thank you for your comments though.

Hey Hal - I know that since we are from the same area, you are well aware of these types of blogs also.  Thanks for your comments.

William -  I agree with you there.  Their lack of professionalism is showing loud and clear.  Thanks for commenting.

Tammy - Thank you for commenting, and I'm glad you found this post.  It will help you deal with this type during your climb up the AR ladder.  Good luck to you and welcome to the Rain.

Michael - Maybe.  But when he posts the same pictures for two different locations, I'm suspect.  Thanks for commenting.

Kristin - I never thought of it myself.  But, obviously it's a way to get points and not have to be involved.  Easy street.  Thank you for commenting.

Janet - Good point. 2 different point systems woud be a good idea.  Thanks for your comments

Steve - True.  I enjoy reading and commenting on posts as much as writing them.  Actually more.  It's easier to comment. LOL.  Thanks for commenting.

Mana - Thank you for commenting.  I appreciate your kind words and thoughts.  The star is a neat feature.

Joan - You are so right.  This person has lost so much and if he was as smart as he thinks he is, he would have a ton more points just by commenting on other posts.  Guess he's too busy with his templates to comment.  Thank you for your comments and kind words.

Terrie - Thank you so much for your kind words.  You're making me blush. 

Yvette - I like the points too, and I don't complain about someone getting them fairly.  Thank you so much for your kind words

Bob, The best you can do on AR is your best. There are many folks on here who do things differently. The cream will always rise to the top eventually.

Now.....your comment up there exclaiming your excitement about getting featured and wondering what to do next is priceless!!!! Congrats to you for a job well done. Enjoy it!!!

 

Bob, First of all, Congrats on your feature.  I have to laugh, I have an agent in my office that has posted almost the exact same number of posts and made 10 comments just for rank.  I was going to write about it but thought he would know exactly who I was talking about and think I was just complaining because he was catching up with me.  My guy is so bad that he has other listings from other companies that he features on his blog.  They are not even his listings or listed by our company.  He says he has permission.  I don't really think that is in the spirit of AR, but there will always be the person to play the system.  I just hope the public sees through it.   good job.

Kat - You are so right.  As a consumer, if I'm looking for someone and I find information on that individual, I like to know a bit about them.  YOu can tell a lot about someone by their writings.  I love the friendships I've made along the way too.  Thank you for commenting.

Sally - I appreciate your comments always.  I actually thought of asking you if I could use your stats instead of mine.  You're stats are phenominal next to this individual.  He has 671 blogs, and you have 589.  No contest on points.  LOL.

Betina - Thank you for you comments.  And yes, karma will rule in the end.  I'm still smiling.

Richard - You are right.  Your second paragraph says it all.  Thank you for your comments.

Maxine - Thank you for you comments.  Yes it does seem like I hit a sweet spot.  I can't keep up with all the comments.  LOL.

Nancy - Right you are.  Points equals position.  But, without contributing to the rest of the community, you lose so much more.  Thanks for your comments.

Teresa - That is amazing.  I've never seen anyone with quite so many linking points.  How many web sites can one have?  Thanks for the comments. 

Neal - Thank you for the comments.  I have read several of your blogs and know you write well and make some good points.  Thanks for the offer of the points.  I'll get mine like you got yours.  Through hard work and perserverence.

Roland - I know what you mean.  I'm in a friendly battle with my best friend.  We bounce back and forth on the top spot for our town.  I don't mind giving it up to him, as long as he writes his own words.  Thank you for commenting.

Kathleen - Why are you so upset?  Did I hit a sore spot?  I think so.  Keep up the good work.

Joey - Thank you for commenting.  Some of those heads are hurting by some of the comments.  LOL. 

Pam - The icing on the cake is definitely the nice part of Active Rain.  Thank you for commenting.

Christine - You said it.  He's getting nothing out of the group.  Thank you for you comments.

Bill - Thank you for commenting.  It does get frustrating when you see them ahead of good honest people.  But, they will lose in the long run.

Bryant - Thank you for your comments.  The kudos coming from you are a true accomplishment for me.  YOu were one of the first people I contacted when I joined the Rain and you were kind enough to respond and encourage me to hang in there.  Thanks for your support.

Audrey - I know I can always count on certain people to give me great comments and support.  You are one of them.  Thank you.  Your guy will get his what for in due time.  LOL.  If he starts getting ahead of you, let me know, I'll send you some blog ideas, or even help write them for you.  LOL.  Continued success to you my friend.

Bob, interesting post.  But I'm just commenting for the points.  :-)

The bottom line is results.  I know of some agent well in excess of 100,000 points that are not making any money.  So, being the top is meaningless unless you are getting results to match your effort versus other avenues.....

Gabe - I'm with you.  I comment for points too.  Keep em coming pal.  LOL.

There were 3 or 4 comments that didn't leave names.  I'd like to thank you all also.  Next time log in before you comment.  I do that from time to time too.  LOL.

There are always those who don't play well with others.  We have the 'gamers' in our group also. 

I was most amazed by the person who has 34600 points in Theresa Harris's comment....

I would say to each his own.  Perhaps they do it for SEO rather than positioning!!  So :shrug:

Maybe they think that is their only benefit on AR and their blog is more client based.  Maybe it doesn't have anything to do with points or positioning or "community".

 

Linda - Thanks for commenting.  Isn't that something with those points.  I can't imagine how that is done.

Renee - Maybe you're right, and maybe you're not.  Maybe the stats speak for themselves.  Thank you so much for commenting.

Bob some people here blog for points,some for position,buyers and sellers. Me,to be honest with you I blog for all. I even wrote a post about it last year POST FOR POINTS OR POSITION?. Have a great weekend.

Lanre - Thank you for commenting, and I read your post.  Very good.  Have a great day.

Some people just don't get it, but at least they are out there!

Bob,

I can think of way more people that the person you have illustrated. Good post, and it got you a gold star also.

Steve

Courtney - Thank you for commenting.

This person and other like him are missing out.  I am learning a lot by reading others blogs.  New bloggers may not know what to blog so maybe they don't get comments, but it doesn't sound like that is the case here.

Steve - Oh yeah, there are quite a few of them out there.  I will pass the ones on my ladder eventually. Thanks for commenting.

Jean - I too have learned so much here in the Rain.  I feel for those that don't get it.  Thanks for commenting.

Bob,

Good content and participation will bring points and nice placement in your community, which is largely the purpose here and will generate leads. The other person with lots of points but obviously deficient content probably won't get any leads at all.

Bob - I guess people can do that if they want to.  However, they probably won't get many referrals that way...  :)

I looked at the member's blog.  It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to figure it out. 

His posts are primarily photos with a template footer.  Not very imaginative, but the titles could get some Google juice. 

 

Debi - Thank you for your comments.  We have a lot of folks that do what they want, and miss so much of the good parts of the Rain. 

As Lenn mentioned above, it wasn't hard to find him, since he is in your state and his points are still the same.  It seems to me that he could care less about the points.  I think he is blogging strictly for SEO.  Unfortunately, his posts are kinda spammy and they don't add any value, so even if he is found, it won't do him a lot of good, in my opinion.

this is an interesting point you bring up...it's frustrating when other bloggers do this just for points but guess what? the customers (and other bloggers) can see right through it...your stuff is relevant and two way, while the other person's is full of air and clearly a one-way blog since he/she never comments on others.

I am trying to learn the system. I write blogs and write comments. Today I posted a blog or tried to post to all my Groups, but it only registered on one. Any suggestions

Bob:

Thanks for the associate add - I have done the same with you.  Thanks for promoting a healthy "community" involvement from which everyone can benefit.

There should really be some kind of auditing to control this.  Thanks

Hi Bob, First is congratulations on your GOLD STAR and excellent post. I think it just awesome how you opened can of worms. I enjoyed reading your post and all the comments. One will always find a worm in a juicy apple.

                                                                              ~Newbie ROY

 

 

 

HOly C$#2 to the guy who has 34,000 in linking points. That's more than 50 Sites! Teresa, can you disclose that member via email. I'd like to check out those 50 sites. Thanks.

Excellent Post those who ae here to simply promote themselves are missing out on a tremendous opportunity to learn.  We all know you don't have enough time to make all the mistakes on your own!

Great comments!  I am a newbie and am trying to be a good bloger while looking for points I want to contribute to my Localism.

OK, I'm trying not to take this personally:)

I've amassed nearly 100,000 points with 495 posts and gotten only 15 comments. Sorry about that. I didn't structure the point system. I post 10 market reports to Localism each week for the 10 communities in my service area here in Southern California. The people I write to - consumers - don't post comments. They call me, and I like that better. I read what you all are posting on A/R and comment when I feel I can add to the discussion. Maybe some day I'll have an issue that I think worthy of your comments, but right now I'm focused on building my business and that means paying a lot of attention to my market. The fact is, I'm at the top in points in my market cities because others aren't blogging. If they have something to say, they should speak up.

I'd love to get to page 1 for my state (Virginia), but we have some awesome bloggers who post regularly.  I'm learning a lot and am committed to posting regularly...and commenting :-)

Lenn - Thank you for commenting.  Google juice is great, but not the reason one should be here in the Rain. IMO.

Jason - I knew our seasoned bloggers would easily find the culprit and check him out.  Thanks for your comments and input.

Chris - Thank you for commenting.  I don't know about anyone else, but my blogs are written to get comments.  I try to make them imformative and useful, except when I post a joke periodically.  Then it's just to lighten the mood.

Rick - Thank you for commenting.  I'm not sure what the problem could be.  I know you are limited to 5 groups that you can post to.

Scott - You are very welcome and thank you too.  Looking forward to reading and commenting back and forth with you.

Jim - I really don't think auditing is the answer. I don't believe there are any rules that say what he is doing is wrong technically.  It's just not real smart.

Newbie Roy - Thank you.  Yeah, I did kind of open a can of worms.  Got lots of comments and most were positive.  ONly a few not so, and upon checking them out, it's understandable why.

John - Thank you for commenting.  Not everyone here wants to play fair. 

Paul - Welcome to the Rain.  Learn and blog and you will do well.  There's an enormous wealth of knowledge here and it is readily shared.  Have fun learning.  Thank you for commenting.

Ila - Yes, you sure did amass a lot of points with your 495 posts.  Thanks for commenting.  As for taking it personally - don't bother, it's not a personal attack.  Just an observation.

Tamara - I know I will probably never reach the top spot in my state, and I don't mind that.  I just don't care for some of the competition.  You're doing great, keep up the good work.

Bob - It's definitely an issue.  I've commented over 3000 times, invited 29 people to the network, and due my best to be an Active Activrain member.  Those "other" folks will never receive a referral from me.

Bob - There seems to be something wrong with the points quoted here or else approx. 1/3 of this persons posts have received no points. Now I know if you write a post and delete it or (and I am not sure about the draft part) leave it in draft it is still counted as a post. This person shoud be over 135,000 points if they had received even 200 points for each post.

Ok, the thing that strikes me is that if they are doing it just for points, that means that they would have been on A|R for over a year (671 blogs/10 a week = 67 weeks). 

Thanks for the blog.  I will try to comment and blog more. 

Have a nice night

I enjoy reading and commenting.  I have learned so much from the knowledgeable bloggers here in the Rain.

I see the point....but what about the guy that is giving great blogging content time after time again, yet isn't reading other people's blogs or commenting on them.  I would think this individual is publishing great data to the public and is being a great resource and contributor.  I don't think you need to be an avid blog reader or commenter to be considered a "good blogger"  Maybe that's what makes a good active rain citizen, but not a good blogger.

Great post and some fantastic comments,

one question i have is what is linking points?

 

Hi Bob! Now I bet you had a busy weekend:). I know you are busy now replying to all the comments on this blog, but when you have a chance, would you be so kind to explain how you proper check the ranking? I tried the search in my area, using different criterias, and still I did not find the stager who is no.1 in Markham. I'm doing something wrong, but don't know what. I am not even a rookie anymore. What a shame! You got the golden star because you had this blog featured. It feels good, isn't it? Congratulations!!!

Tracy - Good for you.  You are difinitely an asset to this fine community.  Keep up the good work and continued success to you.

Kathy - You're right in your estimation, but you have to remember, they recently put a limit on how many posts you could do in a week.  This individual did 68 in on month, thus voiding out any point for most of them.  It's what happens when you only hop into the Rain once an week and don't keep up with what's going on. Thanks for the comments.

Lane - Read the above statement.  But, you are close.  Thank you for commenting.

Christine - You get it.  That's what this community is all about.  Learning and sharing of ideas and stories.  Thank you so much for commenting.

Edward - You are right.  This guy is probably an excellent blogger and most likely has a big following of individuals.  He is getting rewards in other ways.  You don't necessarily have to respond if you are contributing something to the community.  He obviously isn't concerned with points or position. Thank for your comments.

Andrew - Thank you.  Yes, some really good comments here.  Linking points you get when you link Active Rain to you personal website.  If you go to the right hand side of your home page here in the Rain, you will see highlighted blue links.  Click on the one that says Link to ActiveRain (Bonus Points) It will bring you to the instruction page on how to do this. If you have any trouble with this, feel free to contact me.

Monica - Thanks for commenting again.  I've sent you an email with instructions.  Hope they are helpful.

Bob - we did a study a while back on our post numbers (an actual count and found the number reported in the stats was way off what we really had) the reason for my comment

from my comment above above

"Now I know if you write a post and delete it or (and I am not sure about the draft part) leave it in draft it is still counted as a post"

HI,  I will though you a comment, by saying that I used to be much more active with AR but have refocused my efforts to my own blogiging platform and have reached the point of diminished returns from further blogging here at AR.

Content is still king. They will probably enjoy only limited success...

Larry  

Wichita Homes for Sale 
Andover Homes for Sale  

 

Firstly forgive me if I repeat something everyone else has said, but I can't possibly read all of your comments. This subject is dear to my heart too. I posted So how come the "cheater" does get to win?  in August followed up by Sometimes "RIGHT" does win over "WRONG"  The "CHEATER" is still posting other peoples listings, but thankfully not getting points for 32 worthless posts!

Wow... I feel like I lost a contest... "Thanks for playing." 

;^ )

James - Good luck with your other blogging platform.  Sounds interesting.  Thank you for commenting.

Lane Team - Thanks for commenting.  You're right, content is most important.

Ellie - I checked your state, and it looks to me like this individual has lost some points for blogs, but I couldn't help but notice that he also posted close to 150 two months in a row.  where does he find the time?  wow.  Hang in there.  He's won't last long. By the way, I read both your posts and they are very good.  Keep up the good work.

Lane - You couldn't have lost a contest that wasn't.  Thanks for commenting.

I am fairly new but am very competitive and feel the need to rise above the ranks of my fellow Realtors in my town, so call it rank or points, either way I want to win!!! However, I do try to provide some relevant content.

We are still basically new too, but we have learned one powerful thing: blogging gives you a voice with which to let people know who you are and what you are made of. Clearly, the internet has become the preferred method of gathering information before making a decision. Blogging helps establish your web presence and allows potential clients to learn about you behind the safety of anonymity until they are ready to make a decision. I cannot see how posting mindless posts for points can benefit you? Maybe this blogger missed the bigger picture. Yes, "points" are fun, but will they pay the bills?

Bob, for the most part the person you spoke of on your blog is being penalized by the SEO Gods (ie Google and the others) and while they may be gaining ground on ActiveRain they are certainly losing out in the larger picture of the internet and improving their searchability.

Sounds to me like their laziness and ignorance will equal what effort they are expending :)

Kelly - Thanks for commenting.  Competition is good, and very welcome here in the Rain.  We just need to compete with fairness. Keep up the good work. 

Dunn Team - Your assessment is right on.  Thank you for your comments.

John - I tend to agree, this person hasn't put much effort and when people research, they will see thru the smoke and move on. Thank you for commenting.

Bob, funny, I missed this blog of yours, and I came across a person in our state with these numbers:

Score: Over 85000K

Blog Posts: 432

Comments Received: 73

Comments made: 54

But what caught my attention even more, was that I looked on a recent blog of theirs, mentioning a listing from MARCH, closed in APRIL (1st) and they put a blog out in AUGUST about this 'great' quick sale in about 40 days.  I could see putting it out in April right after the sale, but AUGUST???  Give me a break!  They are not a good contributor in my opinion as well!  And I have little doubt they think they are 'good' bloggers because of the QUANTITY of blogs.  I'm sure with 108K+ members, there are quite a few more of these people as well.  Oh well. 

I blog after completing research on an area for accuracy, and try and have unique and well written content. This is an interesting post, and congrats on your gold star!

Ron - I guess it took them that long to put the words on paper.  LOL.  It might just be  something that they just realized.  At least it wasn't some template with the same pictures, different name.  Thanks for commenting.

Sharon - Thank you for the kudos and the comments.  Each person blogs in their own way, and I understand that.  I just have a problem with using the same template over and over and making minor changes for points.  Then not taking the time to read what others have written.  Have a great day.

Bob, the whole thing makes me sick, yes it is spamming the system. I was going to write on it too, so glad you did. I still may. For all the folks that dont' care, obviously they don't have someone in their state writing the same thing over and over again with different titles to get to the top. So what if it has a yellow circle with red mark through it, they are still getting points, and google juice.

Missy, Don't get all upset over it.  Get even.  Write about them and write good stuff.  Get the extra points for all the comments you will receive and continue to comment on other blogs.  Thanks for commenting.

I agree with Jason Crouch. The same thing goes on in my little piece of AR. Do I care? Well it was bugging me for awhile, but I'm so over it because I know the public isn't stupid. Congrats on your "featured" post!

You know Bob, what is funny, is you mentioning this and with their CLEAR lack of real involvement on AR, they do not even know you wrote about this/them.  Pretty amusing I think.  Like Debbie just said, the public is not stupid either!  Have a great week! 

Debbie, I agree, and I try to tell myself I really don't care, but to an extent I obviously do otherwise I wouldn't have written this post. Also, I've obviously hit a nerve with a lot of others who feel strongly about the subject.  Thank you for the kudos and for commenting.

Ron, It is funny, because I tried to not make it too obvious, but the more I researched this individual, the more I realized he didn't care about anything to do with AR other than his weekly hits.  Thanks for commenting.

Hi Bob,   I agree, that is sad that someone only has made 2 comments.  That person has missed the point of blogging.

I love to answer thought provoking blogs, how can anyone resist?

Ricki - He sure has.  Thank you for your comments.  Have a great day.

Caren - Thank you for commenting. I'm assuming this was a thought provoking blog for you.

Hi!  Me again.  When you first wrote this blog, I was a bit of a "NOOB" to AR, and didn't write many blogs, so this topic was not terribly upsetting to me.  Now that I write more (and because I put a LOT of effort into my writings), it does upset me when I see 3-line blogs, and pure advertisements disguised as blogs...

I just visited a "Featured Member" profile and saw they had over 70,000 blogging points, but when I looked at the blogs themselves, I saw that they are the same 3-sentence blog reposted over and over...usually twice a day with different titles!  To top it all off, their *ahem* "blog" is merely an advertisement for their company - telling only the product they offer their phone number and their website address (not even a link).  There aren't even any details on the product - you have to go to the website!!!  Now THAT is lazy.

While many of my posts are not particularly industry-related, at least I try to put some value to the reader in them...some humour, an anecdote, or a bit of life advice, etc., so it really bothers me that my "points competitors" will post just about anything for the points.  It bothers me even more that they consistently repost the same garbage over and over, just to make up their maximum number of posts for the week. 

Whew!  I feel better now...thanks for the outlet for my rant :)

Scott - Well, I don't think I ccould have said it better myself.  Thanks for your comment, and you could probaby post this as a blog easily. 

Winners never cheat, and cheaters never win!  I'm in the same predicament... so frustrating!